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Ferguson: the reciprocal
« on: November 28, 2014, 04:13:37 am »
It's been common practice here at the Nut that when a topic is put up for discussion supported with a link to the corresponding information, the source is often attacked immediately and used as a means to avoid discussion. Snake and most of the libs on this site refuse to listen to anything reported by Fox News or World Net Daily or any other right-influenced journalism website (I believe the usual response is ' :lol Fox News'). By the same token, most of the conservatives and I won't read or listen to anything reported by or MSNBC or The Young Turks or any other lefty sites, I admit it. So in an effort to find a neutral, unbiased news source I started logging onto the dailymail, a UK-based news agency reporting on stuff from all over. And if you can believe it, a lib buddy of mine I went to nursing school with turned me on to it. I'd heard about it before but he's the one who encouraged me to check it out.

I'm not going to inundate you with examples on how they report, I'll let you do that for yourself if you want. But I would like to show you this article about a black officer who killed a white, unarmed teen in Oct 2012. Notice how the race of both parties is never mentioned, although the pictures make it clear. Notice too how there's no inflammatory terms like "unfair" and no speculation if the incident was "racially motivated". And especially his parents not instructing anyone to "burn this bitch down". They simply report the facts as they exist for the express purpose of informing, not to encourage an emotional response.

Surveillance video shows naked Alabama student 'high on LSD' moments before he was shot dead as he chased campus police officer 
Video shows Gil Collar, 18, with his arms outstretched and palms open towards officer who shot him

Collar shot once in the chest on Saturday by security guard at University of South Alabama
 Family and friends gathered at Wetumpka High School to pay respects in late night vigil yesterday

 Authorities claim Collar took LSD at music festival and stripped off his clothes before assaulting two people in their vehicles
 Footage shows 'he knocked on campus police HQ and chased after officer'
 Officer, named as Trevis Austin, did not have his baton or pepper spray
 Sheriff: 'Even if he did have these, he might have had to shoot him anyway'

ByDaily Mail Reporter
Published: 01:06 EST, 12 October 2012 | Updated: 03:41 EST, 12 October 2012

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Video of the fatal shooting of a naked Alabama college student shows him with his arms outstretched and his palms open seconds before a campus police officer fired.
The Mobile County Sheriff's Department played the approximately two-minute security video for media Thursday. It was taken by a surveillance camera outside the University of South Alabama police station, where 18-year-old Gil Collar was fatally shot early Saturday morning. The video has no sound.
Police said Collar, 18, had taken the drug LSD and was acting aggressively, but an attorney for Collar's family said the video shows his actions didn't justify the shooting. Authorities declined to release a copy of the video.

On the tape, Collar walks slowly toward a campus police station door once and then walks away. Seconds later, he walks back to the station and pounds violently on a glass window.
He then walks away from the police station again before an officer, Trevis Austin, comes out with his gun drawn and pointed at the naked student. Collar approaches Austin with his arms outstretched and palms open toward Austin.
They move around the porch, with Collar kneeling at one point, then getting to his feet and again walking toward Austin. The officer keeps backing away from Collar, his gun pointed at the student, as Collar approaches.

The two move into the yard, where the view of the camera is partially blocked by the porch columns and lighting. Less than 30 seconds after Austin came out of the building, the video shows Collar falling after having been shot.

The former high school wrestler was struck once in the chest.
The police dispatcher can be seen opening the station's front door in response to the sound of gunfire. A second officer arrives just as Collar is being shot. Collar gets up twice and the officers pursue him.
Sheriff Sam Cochran said two officers handcuffed Collar to subdue him after he was shot, but that could not be clearly seen on the video. A second backup officer arrived just as the two-minute video ended.
‘In my opinion it was proper to come out with the gun,’ Cochran said.
He said numerous police officers have been killed with their own weapons and that it is important for an officer to make sure a suspect isn't able to take control of a weapon. Collar did not touch Austin, but Austin got as close as five feet to the pointed gun before Austin fired.

The 18-year-old allegedly took LSD at an outdoor music festival before assaulting two people in vehicles and trying to bite a woman's arm.

The University of South Alabama freshman then went to the campus police headquarters, where he was allegedly shot by Austin.

Around 500 people gathered Tuesday night at Wetumpka High School, where Collar graduated from earlier this year, to hold a vigil in his memory.
The crowd included students, wrestling teammates and people of all ages from the community.
His parents also attended the memorial where speaker after speaker remembered Collar as a young man with a great sense of humor and a great love of life.
 Meanwhile Austin, who has been an officer for four years, is on leave while investigators look into the death.
He had come outside the police headquarters when he heard Collar banging on its door, Cochran said.
Surveillance footage showed Collar naked and covered in sweat as he chased the officer for more than 50 feet, Fox News reported.
When the student got within five feet of the officer, Austin, who was not armed with pepper spray or a baton, as is required of campus officers, shot once and struck him in the chest.
Mobile County Sheriff Sam Cochran said at a news conference: 'Had the officer had a Taser or some other less lethal instrument I don't know if that officer would have had an opportunity to shoulder his pistol and to use something else because the events were evolving so rapidly and he was approaching so close.'
He added that he had been extremely concerned when first hearing about the shooting, but understood why the officer had chosen to open fire after watching the video.
The authorities will not be releasing the footage publicly, he added.
Investigators are now looking into who gave Collar the LSD and could charged them with murder. Cochran revealed that people at the concert with the teenager had told them about his drug use.

LSD, which is also known as acid, can cause anxiety, paranoia, psychotic behavior and an inability to recognise danger, effects which typically last for around 12 hours.
The revelations come after Collar's mother, Bonnie Smith Collar, said the surveillance video shows that her son never came into physical contact with the officer.
Acquaintances had said that Collar appeared to be intoxicated as he took his clothes off, ran through the streets, screamed obscenities and claimed he was on a 'spiritual quest' before he was killed.

'Whatever caused the incident was something that made him act not in his normal personality,' she said.
Mrs Collar said she had no idea why her son would be acting erratically as described and that the slight yet strong boy had never posed a threat before.
'The first thing on my mind is, freshman kids do stupid things,' she said. 'Campus police should be equipped to handle activity like that without having to use lethal force.'
The attorney for the student's family, Jere Beasley, said earlier Thursday that the shooting was not justified.
‘I can tell you without reservation nothing we saw in the videotape justified the use of deadly force in this case,’ he said.
Beasley said his chief investigator and one of his lawyers, a former police officer, were shown the tape Wednesday by the Mobile County Sheriff's Department.
The video shows the five-foot-seven, 140-pound student never got closer to the officer than four feet and didn't try to grab his weapon, Beasley contended. The lawyer said the video also shows the officer didn't wait for backup to arrive before coming out of the station.
‘I have seen nothing to indicate to me that you ought to go out there with a raised gun against a guy who's buck naked, unarmed and in distress,’ he said.
Beasley said the officer was not carrying a baton or pepper spray, even though university officials have said officers typically carry both in addition to a gun.
Forensic scientists have not completed a toxicology report on drug use, he added.
‘The fact that he came to the police station indicates that he was not necessarily looking for trouble. In fact, I think he was looking for help,’ Beasley said.
Collar's parents, Reed and Bonnie Collar, accompanied Beasley to the news conference, but did not comment. They sat in chairs, holding hands, bowing their heads and nodding occasionally.

Beasley said they have been praying for the officer, but hold the university accountable for training its officers properly.
Beasley said his law firm will complete its investigation before the family makes a decision about whether to sue the university, but the family's ultimate goal is to make sure policies are in place to prevent the same thing from happening to another student.
Cochran said that investigators are working to determine who supplied Collar with the LSD and that that person could be arrested in connection with his death.
Collar grew up in the rural outskirts of Wetumpka, about 20 miles north of Montgomery. Brandon Ross, a sophomore at Jacksonville State University, said Collar moved to the neighborhood as an eight-year-old.
'I was the first person he met on the bus, and we've been friends ever since,' he said. 'He was the kid everybody liked.'
'It's completely opposite of the way he was,' said South Alabama student Chandler Wescovich of Long Beach, Miss., who became friends with Collar during his short time on campus.
Others agreed the actions were out of character for the normally quiet and reserved Collar, whom friends described as a popular and good-looking high school wrestler.

Collar wasn't known as a troublemaker and had only two minor scrapes with the law, according to court records: a speeding ticket and a citation for being a minor in possession of three cigarettes in March. He paid a $25 fine for the tobacco possession.
He was also so good-looking that his teammates didn't like standing next to him in team photos.
'The girls thought he was the best thing they had ever seen, and they may have been right,' Glass said.
On the Facebook page for the Vanguard, the school's student newspaper, Collar's friends and classmates expressed confusion that the officer felt the need to use deadly force on the young man.

'Gil went to my high school' wrote Melissa Mims, who said she was a good friend of Collar's sister Elisabeth and the rest of his family.

'Gil was the kind of guy who could put a smile on anyone's face, he never had any enemies and a lot of students and younger kids looked up to him. He really was a great guy and had very many friends.'

Friend Lucas Self described Collar as an easy going person, small enough deadly force should not have been required.
'Gil made a mistake but it is still an officers duty to resolve a situation as peacefully as he can' Self wrote. 'I think this situation was handled wrong by the officer but they aren't going to let any one believe that.'
Collar's funeral is scheduled for 4pm Saturday at Mulder Memorial United Methodist Church in his hometown of Wetumpka.

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Re: Ferguson: the reciprocal
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2014, 09:52:44 am »
wtf?  I am not reading all that
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Re: Ferguson: the reciprocal
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2014, 07:15:34 pm »
Well you're canadian. And gender confused. Far too much going on for you to comprehend anything outside your chat line inbox.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2014, 08:40:19 pm »
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Re: Ferguson: the reciprocal
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2014, 09:31:52 pm »
Not reading all that either but read enough to get Jeff's main point .
It's hard to get unbiased news , it's either slanted to the left or the right .
Worst offenders are Bill O'Reilly and Chris Matthews .

cliff  notes on Jeff's post :
 1. Naked white man on LSD attacks black policeman and press don't bring race card :koolaid
 2. Jeff went to nursing school  :o


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Re: Ferguson: the reciprocal
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2014, 08:46:34 am »
Nice post Jeff....could have done a bit (ok, a lot) of editing IMO but I got the point after reading the first exerpt.

Don't want to hijack your thread and turn this into a border war but just be careful throwing out the "'re Canadian" card when trying to prove a point about bias.  ;)
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Re: Ferguson: the reciprocal
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2014, 02:08:54 pm »
buddy of mine I went to nursing school with

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2014, 04:53:40 pm »
Well you're canadian. And gender confused. Far too much going on for you to comprehend anything outside your chat line inbox.

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2014, 01:44:02 am »
shut the fvck up bitch
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