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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2016, 09:19:41 pm »
You believe this?  I guess more to the point do you believe that the left has intentions of educating this women and others like her and that they want her more knowledgeable?  I guess you are correct in that no one in power wants this, right or left, so why put this on the right?

This is true. Both the left and right in power do not want this women knowledgeable.

I said the right in response to that post. He said this is your left. I said this is America. Haven't the republicans run the US since 1980, minus Clinton and Obama? If the right are going to mock this woman, shouldn't they take some responsibility for creating her? Or is it easier to just laugh at her and say there's your left? Just made no sense to me, that's all.

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2016, 09:42:22 pm »
Even counting Presidents it is only 20 years to 16 years.  Not exactly a huge difference given the 4 year terms.  5 wins to 4 wins.

If the left is going to use her for their political advantage shouldn't they take some responsibility for creating her?  We could play the game all day long but she is a failure of both sides.

I have a way to simple point but who helps someone improve more?  The person who tells someone they need to improve or the person that tells them they deserve more?

In general we seem to becoming a society that feels we deserve things and I don't think that is good thing. 

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2016, 09:52:57 pm »
I've never been a fan of attributing blanket grades to one party or the other since one could argue we pretty much have had gridlock to some extent (by design) since the Era of Good Feelings.

That being said, I would argue that any person who works a full time job in America "deserves" a decent standard of living for themselves and their children. 

Call it whatever movement you want - the rich/poor gap in the US is out of control.  Poor Americans "deserve" to have a better quality of life than poor Cubans, IMHO.
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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2016, 10:03:52 pm »
Why $15? Why not $20?  Why not $100?

I'm always torn on the minimum wage debate.  Some jobs require very minimal skills.  I do believe $7.25 is embarrassingly low, and the minimum wage needs to be adjusted, but I don't like the pie in the sky numbers people throw out.  $10/hr? $12/hr?  Let's pick something more realistic.

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2016, 10:05:40 pm »
Why $15? Why not $20?  Why not $100?

I'm always torn on the minimum wage debate.  Some jobs require very minimal skills.  I do believe $7.25 is embarrassingly low, and the minimum wage needs to be adjusted, but I don't like the pie in the sky numbers people throw out.  $10/hr? $12/hr?  Let's pick something more realistic.

I'm down - lets go with Eurosocialism - healthcare for everyone, college for everyone.  Then we don't need to have the minimum wage be so high.
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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2016, 11:03:33 pm »

That being said, I would argue that any person who works a full time job in America "deserves" a decent standard of living for themselves and their children. 


I hate this comment but it lacks any substance and is one designed to earn concurrence and a popular talking point.  In a vacuum I think we all agree. 

However,  what is a decent standard of living? I bet we would differ greatly on how to define a standard of living. I suspect if we just asked this site we would greatly differing opinions on a decent standard of living and what this should include.

How many children should a minimum wage full time job take care of for an employee? As many as they want?   I suspect that we would greatly differ on these answers.  Does it matter how many children that a person has as to how much you should have to pay them?  A person with 10 kids is certainly going to need more than a person with one child to have a decent standard of living. 

As I have stated before, a minimum wage full time job should support a minimum family. I don't think the job should be paid to support a child much less children of the employee. 

Does any student who shows up to class and does the homework "deserve" an A?  No, there are other factors than just showing up to determine what you "deserve". 

So even agreeing with your statement which I don't entirely.  Not all job are meant for supporting families. 

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2016, 11:35:43 pm »
Front Porch, you're stating things that are obvious to everyone but the most fukctarded of us - i.e. Slackereyes.

You have much more patience than I do, to sit there and write all of that out for him.  The kid has no understanding of macroeconomics.  Idiots like him think with their feelings instead of with their brains - You know who else does that?  Little 9 year old girls.   "Anyone who works a job should be able to comfortably support a family"    That's like saying "Anyone who spends a lot of time practicing his free throws and his shooting drills should be able to find a job as a pro basketball player, even if it's in the minor leagues."

Again, the idiot has a child's understanding of the economics of nations.

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2016, 07:00:54 am »
If you are an adult, especially an adult that is attempting to raise a family, and all you can do is a minimum wage job then it is obvious that you have done absolutely nothing in your life to try and improve yourself or your circumstances.

People 'deserve' a certain standard of living.  No.  People need to go out and earn the standard of living that they aspire to.

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2016, 08:15:28 am »
A minimum wage job should be above whatever is considered "poverty level".  Effectively doubling the minimum wage is a huge tax increase both on individuals and businesses.  But hey, it may save Social Security...........
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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2016, 08:25:32 am »
... in a country long ago the fast food jobs were held by mostly teenagers (of course the managers were adults) and the minimum wage was what they signed on for and got. 

fast forward a few decades and those same jobs are still being held by teenagers however, they've been infiltrated by adults who are trying to raise a family.  now because those adults who for whatever reason decide to stay @ Mickey D's flippin' & fryin' instead of finding something else they want a $15 minimum wage.  if you as an adult think that $7.25 is going to be enough to raise a family then I have some beachfront property in the mountains to sell you. 



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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2016, 10:09:37 am »
How many children should a minimum wage full time job take care of for an employee? As many as they want?   I suspect that we would greatly differ on these answers.  Does it matter how many children that a person has as to how much you should have to pay them?  A person with 10 kids is certainly going to need more than a person with one child to have a decent standard of living. 

As I have stated before, a minimum wage full time job should support a minimum family. I don't think the job should be paid to support a child much less children of the employee. 

Does any student who shows up to class and does the homework "deserve" an A?  No, there are other factors than just showing up to determine what you "deserve". 

So even agreeing with your statement which I don't entirely.  Not all job are meant for supporting families.

So are you in favor of China-style family planning laws?  We take care of a certain number of children and say "fvck the rest"?

And he doesn't deserve an "A", but does a student who shows up to my class "deserve" to be in a safe environment to learn?  Do you know how many people die and/or declare bankruptcy each year because they can't afford basic healthcare?

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2016, 10:23:32 am »
I am not in favor of China laws and never said that. You can actually be somewhere between two extremes.

I am also not in favor of a law that says you have to pay someone because they choose to have kid(s).

That said you didn't answer any of the questions. How many kids and what do you define as a decent standard of living. You have a habit of avoiding the question and trying to change the subject.

 

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2016, 02:27:12 pm »
I am not in favor of China laws and never said that. You can actually be somewhere between two extremes.

I am also not in favor of a law that says you have to pay someone because they choose to have kid(s).

That said you didn't answer any of the questions. How many kids and what do you define as a decent standard of living. You have a habit of avoiding the question and trying to change the subject.

Every child born in the United States deserves a decent standard of living.

And you are avoiding the other half of the argument - does a student not "deserve" to come to class and feel safe?
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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2016, 02:29:20 pm »
Hey Fukctardeyes, read Atlas Shrugged, bud.
Watch some Milton Friedman videos, bud.

Go read Huckleberry Finn, and you'll understand racism!!
Go read To Kill a Mockingbird, and you'll understand the law!!   DERP!!!!

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Re: Naquasia wants $15/hr
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2016, 02:51:05 pm »
Every child born in the United States deserves a decent standard of living.

Who's going to pay for it, fukctard?  You?  Libtards like Snake always are more than willing to play it loose with other people's money.
And who defines "decent", imbecile?  Compared to MANY parts of the world, even the poorest most "underprivileged" kid living in a housing project has it great:  He has running water, electricity, access to bus lines near his home, grocery stores right around the corner, access to a public high school with great gymnasiums and a cafeteria and free books, etc etc  - some kid living in an unpaved waterless electricity-less settlement in Mexico must think those guys are whiny little bitches for whining about how hard they have it.


And you are avoiding the other half of the argument - does a student not "deserve" to come to class and feel safe?

Total non sequitir that has absolutely no pertinence to the discussion that's been had up to this point.  For a debate coach, you sure as fvck are incapable of following along with an argument.
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